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  1. When you are looking at the racing form and it looks like this below what does that number mean.
    is that what the horse was claimed for in the last race or the amount of the pot the horse was racing for?

  2. 30000clm means that the horse last ran in a claimer in which all the horses in the race could be claimed for $30K. A bigger number suggests a better class of horse. If the horse had been running in $30K claimers and is now running in a $15K claimer, that means the horse is taking a class drop and should have a better chance to win against these horses than the ones he was racing against before.

    Those numbers are solely about the races the horse ran in before. It does not mean that the horse was actually claimed for that amount. If the horse was claimed, there would be an extra line in his past performances saying “Claimed from
    for $30,000.”

    The purse in a claiming race is usually a little more than the price for which you could claim the horse. The purse usually isn’t listed in the past performances.

  3. The weight that is allocated to a horse to carry is everything on it’s back,but does not include it’s bridle or reins’

    A jockey “Weighs out” ( ie before he goes and gets on a horse before the race) with all his tack – that is clothing ,whip ,helmet,saddle and saddle cloth. In the saddle cloth would be small pieces of lead that would make up the difference in weight between the actual weight of the jockey and tack, and the weight that the horse is allocated to carry in that race,

    After the race the jockey has to “Weigh In” to ensure that he did in fact carry that weight throughout the race. In this way, if for some reason the saddle cloth slipped and dropped the lead weighs, the jockey would weigh in “light” and the Clerk to the Scales would object and the horse would lose the race.

    To avoid foul play – no one is allowed to touch the jockey’s tack between weighing out and weighing in. (ie could possibly slip lead weight out and pop it back in after race.)

    Hope that clarifies the situation for you.

  4. you are the AW man scally as jac says no doubt about that.
    but but but but ……….
    iam gona take one of your horses on today scally,
    i think royal encore can get turned over today by,
    LADY LONGCROFT this dark horse was impressive on the turf and should take to the aw easily and with Jimmy Quinn onboard then the future looks bright.
    goodluck if your betting today scally
    dont work to hard jac x
    come on the reds 2nite !

  5. I’ve always wondered approximately how much ground a horse loses to a rail runner when he goes wide on the turn. It probably varies according to the configuration of the track, but I’m no engineer, so have never even been able to make a good variable to factor into my handicapping system. Large tracks that are a mile around have more sweeping turns and shorter tracks have sharper bends. I would estimate thoroughbreds are around 3 feet wide, meaning a horse that is ’3 wide’ would be at least 10 feet from the rail, after accounting for a little running space between horses. One that is 5-wide would probably be about 20 feet away from the rail, but I know he loses a lot more ground than that on the turn. Maybe somebody who has an idea about the spacing of staggered starts in track would have an idea, but of course people tracks are much smaller than horse tracks.

  6. Every lane further from the rail is about 2 extra lengths for each turn. (on a mile oval)

    So in a sprint, if you run in the 3 path, you are running about 4 extra lengths compared to the horse who has a rail trip.

    If it was a route, and you were 3 wide on both turns, you’d have run 8 more lengths.

  7. What system do you use to bet on the horses, besides betting the favorites or more than 1 horse in a race. Not interested in betting to place or show.

  8. Good answer from SuznAz.

    Many handicappers don’t have a track close by. Everyone has to develop a system that works for them. Some people rely on speed or pace figures, others swear by Ragozin Sheets. If you’re a casual bettor and don’t want to be bothered with learning the details of the game, at least learn how to read the past performances and place a bet. Play for your enjoyment, don’t bet more than you would spend on a day’s worth of entertainment. Sorry, there isn’t any magical system that is 100% accurate – that’s why it’s called gambling.

    If you want to be a serious ‘capper, focus on one or two tracks on a circuit. (for instance, NY, FL, CA, Midwest) and bet only those tracks. Familiarize yourself with how the trainers work their horses (fast, slow, patterns), how the track plays every day (speed or stalker favoring), trip notes (if a horse had trouble or was showing improvement in a race), etc. etc. Also, hang out at a forum where you can learn from other handicappers, like TVG, HRTV or Dan Illman’s blog at DRF. It can take years of study to make a living and can be harder than the average 9-5 job, but you can make money if you’re dedicated and take the time to learn.

  9. in a handicap race, does the handicap number include the weight of the Jockey and tack? or is it just weight added to the horse??

  10. Stakes is short for sweepstakes where, traditionally I guess, all the prize money was put up by the participants. Stakes races are generally non handicaps although the name is sometimes preserved in the title of the race even where that race is a handicap e.g. Wokingham Stakes. The word stakes is not used in NH racing – at least I cannot think of an example – and is substituted by the word hurdle or chase. A handicap is as described by the previous contributor.

  11. If I were making selections for horse racing and I am asked for handicap or stakes would this mean the same as asking for flat or national hunt in horse racing terms?

  12. Question is two fold – a) why are number of turns considered significant and b) how do narrow or wide turns play to a horse’s strength, pending their running style?

  13. Turns require that a horse change leads, ie, which foot to put down first. Thus, a jockey’s ability comes into play, to get the horse to change leads properly. And also to get close to the rail so as to “save ground,” which could make the differnece between winning and losing.

    The reason quarter horse riders rarely become thorobred jocks is that they have trouble on turns.

    Narrow turns tend to favor “speed horses,” animals who can get away from the gate quickly. Wide turns (such as at Belmont Park) are kind to longer striding horses.Configurations of most tracks are found in the Racing Form and usually online at each track’s website

  14. What is the best kind of race to target. Ive got a basic handicapping strategy but don’t know whether i should target class three races or certain length of race. When i look at the listings i just cant make my mind up. I need a way to shorten the possibility’s. I already avoid maiden stakes and juvenile or nursery races. Has anyone had more success in a particular type of race.
    Yeah, a lot of sensible advice there. Thanks for taking the effort. Im new to handicapping so i have a lot to learn but i’ll get there in the end. About four or five years from now lol.

  15. it really depends as if you target a specific kind of horse or race types,you wil get more knowlegable and realise you have to think to a different logic.

    to me you seem you like horses to have a bit of form as you avoiding 2yos and maidens were form is thin.

    i prefer older horse group races and top hcaps as i like to find patterns in horses form involving going,distance track etc to find patterns.the higher class you go,the harder it is for a horse to win under circumstances that dont suit and at top level just about everything as to be right for the horse to win.also like 1 mile onward events as sprints require more luck like for example miss the break and you normally can forget it or bad draws and sprinters seem to take it in turns on reversing the form with each other more often then longer distance runners.

    over jumps which i prefer as the horses have been around for years,i like the graded races and top hcap chases around class 2.class 2 hcap hurdles are normally twice the field size as the chases of class 2 so aviod those as well.

  16. (8,4) possible events.

  17. Going to Cal Expo tomorrow night to blow my stimulus check at the races and I’d like to be able to win a race or two! Thanks!
    Hey, mirageguitarworks: if you want to be a turd, go lay in the yard.

  18. write to any track…play number 3 all nite to win!

  19. hi all,i will town it down this week.BUT.a must double.AHLAWY 5-0 WOLV) ANTILLA 4-30 WOLV) singleb the horse has a great chance but FRANK,no no.HURRICANE COAST,3-0 WOLV won an apprentice race last time escapes a penalty today could just be enough e/w.ROYAL ENCORE 3-30 WOLV.goes back into maiden company after coming close in handicaps reason,easier e/w though.NUN TODAY won of 61 c/d last july 08.He runs of 49 today,terrible race but e/w.NOW. a nice piece of form,RIDGEWAY JAZZ 3-0 WOLV) and ANDURIL 5-30 WOLV.) are running in Div 1 and Div 2 of the playbingoat williamhill .com handicap.the form of the race these two came from is rock solid,also ANDURILS camp won this race last year and he ran over hurdles three days ago,prep for this probally.ridgewood jax 50-1 running on 4th and anduril 5th in that race.e/w and keep it small profit is profit ( I HOPE ) good look to all,or yer jaqui on a previous question did you refer to being split in two by des and i,if so was you refering to working for both of us?lol steady. cheers all. scally. cheers loanshark for top a.
    hi all i dont want to bleat after the fact BUT.that horse was heavily backed,if you look at the race the horse was clearly schooled.no sour grapes but the exagerated head movement by the jockey,to justify why he is slowly moving back through the pack,any chance the jockey had to slip behind another horse he took it, DISCUSTING.i scrutanise hundreds of races a day and know when a horse is being pulled,sorry for the rant gang,and i know it sounds like after the fact stuff but…..there is always tomorrow.

  20. sunstateconstruction Reply November 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Say you had a horse race. You decided to choose 4 of 8 horses. Okay, well thats all well and good as 8c4=(I cant find my sci calc), and then I know the multiple to be 4!.

    Anyway, what I’m trying to get at is how shoould I figure a multiple into the strict combinatoric rules of odds that would account for handicapping. Specifically, if I knew that the favorite finishes in the money (thats 1st , 2nd or 3rd) x% of the
    time and that my ability to choose the other three finishers correctly were some indeterminate variable yet to be developed that somehow could be used as a multiple.

    Please help! Thanks

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